tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post6114659216482590843..comments2023-09-27T09:34:56.839+01:00Comments on Blackheath Addick: Why 'Move On' When The Direction Sucks?Burgundy Addickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12203516889598003723noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-58385752906713678852014-05-20T14:54:48.995+01:002014-05-20T14:54:48.995+01:00Thanks for the further comments.
On the aspect o...Thanks for the further comments. <br /><br />On the aspect of having an owner/owners who only want what's best for us, I didn't mean to sound naive (but probably did), just that if the owner has an affinity for the club (which Murray did/does), or just wants to make money through the value of that asset appreciating (which is only possible if the club prospers) there is at least confidence in common interest (ie no conflict of interest). If what matters is the net value of a consortium of clubs, of which we are just one element, there has to be doubt. <br /><br />As for some of the outgoing players 'only' being average Championship standard, even if that is true (which is debatable) where is the evidence that those who will replace them will be of higher quality? <br /><br />I'd agree that the timing of the takeover and the awful contract situations presented Duchatelet with a dilemma: back Powell in January or replace him. If a change had been made then, we might not have liked it but there would have been a rationale. Instead we had team/squad changes which Powell cannot have welcomed, followed by a decision to extend him a new contract. Powell clearly found some elements unacceptable and was then dismissed. What would Duchatelet have done if we had won the quarter-final and Powell was set to lead the team out at Wembley? <br /><br />Duchatelet's not a demon, just a guy with qualities which have obviously served him well in his business career but which may or may not lend themselves to other areas. Which still leads me back to just why does he want to own football clubs? I have thoughts on that front, but they are really only prejudices based on past experience. <br /><br />I share the concerns of Anon above but truly hope they prove to be wide of the mark. Just that the benefit of the doubt, which was afforded at the time of the takeover, has for me been lost through what has happened since. <br />Burgundy Addickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203516889598003723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-71616899998746848282014-05-20T08:59:16.887+01:002014-05-20T08:59:16.887+01:00I think RD let CP leave with dignity . He probably...I think RD let CP leave with dignity . He probably wanted to sack him from day 1 but new how much he meant to the fans and I think also realised what a great bloke he was, so offered him a way out of the club with his head held high.<br />RD may not be the demean BA portrays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-40019102047973022012014-05-19T23:36:43.536+01:002014-05-19T23:36:43.536+01:00BA is absolutely accurate in his assessment of the...BA is absolutely accurate in his assessment of the current situation. Powell who had a genuine feeling for the club was treated very badly because he had principles and sacrificed his job because he saw where Charlton were being taken. His record was good especially if you consider that he was given no money this year to progress by the previous board, who sold out to whoever they could in the end. We have an owner who provides the bare minimum financially which has kept us afloat, but from his comments and actions has little commitment or empathy with the club. I have supported Charlton for 45 years but the special spirit and history of the club are being eroded to the point where I simply won't care what happens in the future because of the current direction. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-9102968767887234882014-05-19T15:00:30.590+01:002014-05-19T15:00:30.590+01:00Thanks all for the further comments, pro and anti....Thanks all for the further comments, pro and anti. Delay in replying due to having to get an 05.50 train (French time) back to Blighty. <br /><br />Can't comment on all that's been said, but I'd add that Powell was offered a new contract, one that he felt unable to accept, and for all the shortcomings and the way the game ended up we were perhaps a Harriott toe-poke away from getting to Wembley. <br /><br />Finally, I've acknowledged from the start that from his comments and what we know about him I've been ambivalent (OK, more than that) about Duchatelet as they remind me greatly of those of people I've dealt with in the past. In this I may be doing Duchatelet a disservice, drawing inferences which are unfair. I've never met the guy. It's why I'm waiting. If future events prove I got it badly wrong, I will be happy as we will be in a better place and will hold my hands up (yeah, and pigs might fly).Burgundy Addickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203516889598003723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-31731546369914000822014-05-19T13:37:02.886+01:002014-05-19T13:37:02.886+01:00Another great post BA, stimulating interesting deb...Another great post BA, stimulating interesting debate. It is totally unrealistic for everyone to be in agreement with how the club is moving forward. Some will be happy, some will not. We have freedom of speech, you are entitled to your say, just as those who disagree with you are. It is very easy to criticise from the sidelines. <br /><br />For posts that are described as 'nonsense' and 'tripe' you receive far more interaction than any of the other CAFC bloggers. Your posts may be divisive but more interesting to read and football is all about opinions. Keep up the good work.<br />TomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-64207721473834599122014-05-19T11:33:45.664+01:002014-05-19T11:33:45.664+01:00Your hope that any new football club owner would b...Your hope that any new football club owner would be "... driven by what is best for Charlton per se..." is naïve to the point of delusion. Not at even Conference level is this vaguely likely. Higher division football clubs have very often been wealthy men's playthings, ego boosters, for the purposes of showing off and bathing in the reflected glory. Elton John decided years ago that Watford was too costly and he is nearly as rich as god and genuinely loves the club. Some clubs in recent times have been bought by wildly delusional dreamers - Mark Goldberg and Palace - or chancers (without genuine financial clout) on the make - Portsmouth, Notts County, Southampton (the previous time). Spanish Tony and Mick the Manc fall into that last group.<br />Charlton has been very lucky to avoid too much ownership turmoil and the associated financial strife. Bar the last couple of years things had been relatively stable on that front.<br />Roly Douchebag has a different agenda to any we've seen or heard about up to now. But just cos it's different or you don't "get it" don't make him the Big Nasty. Charlton under Powell were bottom of the league, limping out of the cup, and crucially scoring very few goals. Doing nothing at that point would have ensured nothing changed on the pitch. Of course RD was protecting his investment with his next few decisions we'd have known him for a clown or worse if he hadn't, few of us liked those decisions at the time but their wisdom is proved (with hindsight) by an 18th placed finish, by and large with Powell's squad but significantly not his usual selections. The number of players whose contracts end now is also not RD's fault and neither is it entirely under his (team's) control, those players can quite rightly do whatever they like, same as you and me and our jobs.<br />In the medium and longer term Charlton (and all football clubs) has to wash its face financially. The days of Simon Jordan's palarse model (of borrowing money you have no chance of repaying and expecting to just carry on) are over.<br />With RD we still have a Charlton to argue about for the foreseeable future, without him we'd be writing eulogies.<br />I'm nervous about the current inaction on the threadbare squad but that's immeasurably preferable to the real alternative.<br />Cheer up BA you might have it mostly wrong about RD but we still have a Charlton Athletic to go and watch, if we want to.Sciurus Carolinensis Nemesisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-39577670541662198512014-05-19T08:14:30.979+01:002014-05-19T08:14:30.979+01:00To negative for me BA , CP loved by all was I thin...To negative for me BA , CP loved by all was I think the 8th. Longest serving manager ,we were bottom of the Leauge and playing pretty naff football. Along comes a rookie coach , who takes over from a club idol and after we have lost "arguably" our two best players, turns things around . Make what you want of that but don't keep criticising the new owner , he does not deserve it yet and to many addicks their is a slight breath of fresh air with certain views he seems to hold regarding youth and paying your way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-90717752530015301892014-05-19T08:07:52.175+01:002014-05-19T08:07:52.175+01:00BA - Good post for the "not convinced yet&quo...BA - Good post for the "not convinced yet" brigade. I am reminded how fickle our fans are. Had we gone down we would be full square in an anti-Duchatelet campaign and the glaringly obvious mistake to cash in on Yann Kermorgant would have been hung firmly around his neck. Dervite, Morrison, Hamer and Poyet moving on will leave us with a relegation squad which will need much more than half-a-dozen network players for next season. I don't get this model either. I want to be proven wrong but there are no signs of it as yet and if Duchatelet does what he has said he will, then there is little hope of us adding the quality and strength in depth we need.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01191662363898215747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-3015279631646388622014-05-18T22:54:32.957+01:002014-05-18T22:54:32.957+01:00One of Powell's mistakes was not bringing in P...One of Powell's mistakes was not bringing in Poyet earlier, as he turned out to be a revelation. Without him, I doubt whether Riga would now seem to be the amazing saviour he's portrayed as by some people. Having said that, I hope Riga stays, although that seems to be uncertain and Poyet seems also likely to go. At the moment we still haven't got a decent striker at the club and the defence (which was the only part of our side that was any good last season) all seem to be going. I can't really see anything to be positive about at all, but time will tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-60401291723134273052014-05-18T20:22:37.766+01:002014-05-18T20:22:37.766+01:00Based on your headline, do not move on and therefo...Based on your headline, do not move on and therefore give up supporting the team. It is best and it will give you a whole new lease of life as well as curing this need you have to keep writing this blog telling us how crap the new board is etc etc and depressing us all. Move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-37718161572912960382014-05-18T20:19:49.494+01:002014-05-18T20:19:49.494+01:00What a load of tripe, Sir Chris would have taken u...What a load of tripe, Sir Chris would have taken us down. Six wins in thirty league matches.Riga eight in sixteen.<br />RD bought us for 14 million. Spending 2 M on the training ground, 500000 on the pitch. Without him we would probably be in admin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05394634306829496861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-57707206873842656482014-05-18T18:50:55.491+01:002014-05-18T18:50:55.491+01:00"What I find embarrassing is all the vitriol ..."What I find embarrassing is all the vitriol aimed at a fellow supporter who has a perfect right to express his feelings like all of us."<br /><br />But if their feelings are different to yours they are 'arseholes'? Make your mind up mate. Ken Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00741612498023798047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-20721289929573500762014-05-18T18:46:49.525+01:002014-05-18T18:46:49.525+01:00Thanks for the thoughts DP, and even others. Being...Thanks for the thoughts DP, and even others. Being called a few names isn't going to cause any loss of sleep, or determine where I end up living. Vive la difference!Burgundy Addickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203516889598003723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-4577387388542782162014-05-18T17:42:37.597+01:002014-05-18T17:42:37.597+01:00What I find embarrassing is all the vitriol aimed ...What I find embarrassing is all the vitriol aimed at a fellow supporter who has a perfect right to express his feelings like all of us. <br />I broadly agree with much of what BA has written although maybe I am slightly more optimistic as I have renewed my (more expensive) season ticket in the last hours of the 'reduced' price. <br />Some signs are good and others not - only the next few months will give us a better idea of what the future will bring. At the moment the future direction of Charlton is only in the head of one man who admits that he does not 'get' football fans and has radical (maybe inspirational , maybe foolish) ideas about running football clubs.<br />If an owner has several clubs then I cannot see how a fan can tell whether or not an action (like selling or loaning a player) has been made for his club or for one of the others in the stable.<br />Anyway I am trying to be positive.<br />Good wishes to you BA and don't let the arseholes get you down!<br />PS. I do not post much but sometimes other people’s unpleasantness annoys me so!<br />Desperate Pete<br />peterShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03126013289739670738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-91998821925304836952014-05-18T16:41:08.145+01:002014-05-18T16:41:08.145+01:00Could not agree more with the first two replies.
e...Could not agree more with the first two replies.<br />every time you post you embarrass yourself.<br />Your post after the Leeds united home game made me embarrassed to be a addict and a man, <br />You won’t accept that you quit the lads.<br />Go back and read your previous posts.<br />You quit period.<br />If I was SCP I would be worried. This sort of hero worship is creepy at best.<br />Now go away, seek help.<br /><br />PS. as for the quitting I think a move to France is perfect for you . They will understandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-56242509309981929952014-05-18T15:59:52.163+01:002014-05-18T15:59:52.163+01:00The article is absolute nonsense - had you not not...The article is absolute nonsense - had you not noticed we stayed in the Championship? Speculation on speculation on speculation - do you work for the Daily Mail? The bottom line is Duchatelet stepped in and put money on the table – if others were playing chicken with the previous regime - Guess what - they screwed up.<br />The expectation you rebuild a rudderless (with 60% players out of contract we were rudderless) club in a January transfer window, or by bringing sundry loan players is beyond ridiculous. The one priority was Championship survival that 2 players chose to exploit the situation for their personal gain is a matter for them. Who needed that headache 14 days after taking over?<br />We survived but with your value set re FFP you need to find a new club to support or do you expect every club owner to stump up the £180mn Leicester intend to spend? Or do you draw the line at the £15mn Bournemouth and Brighton lost – how long do you want owners to stump up the £15mn – Have you not noticed how many owners we have been through in the last decade? Murray? Chappell? Murray (2nd windfall) & friends? Slater & Jiminez (Cash)? Does the quoted takeover sum not register? £14mn – amounts to 2yr losses under the previous regime? Recognise the friendly debt £7mn? – It represents the rump of another couple of years losses but it is OK cos it is not your money. You sir are a fool!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5476043688166279353.post-47498136902461889002014-05-18T15:48:16.542+01:002014-05-18T15:48:16.542+01:00For most genuine Charlton Supporters I find you an...For most genuine Charlton Supporters I find you an embarrasement, any person who might toss a coin to see whether to go, Charlton Supporters are positive not the negative views you portray.Sir Chris Powell will always be a legend but in some games he brought a third centre half on when we were winning against a side who were useless near the end to cost us points. I am a half full not half empty supporter would not be happy but would support them in any division they played in. Ben Hamer, Dorian Dervite etc are average players who are only Championship players at the best. I would like to believe that one day we would get back to the premiership but are probably about the 30th best supported club. The atmosphere at the last few games was fabulous players like Pope, Cousins, Solly etc are what we are about, enough said.the catnoreply@blogger.com